1 00:00:04,470 --> 00:00:02,710 all right so so with that it's a good 2 00:00:07,269 --> 00:00:04,480 way to end our conversation because it 3 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:07,279 is now time to introduce you to 4 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:10,080 um our public affairs officer brandy 5 00:00:14,709 --> 00:00:13,040 dean and our special guest dan gazda who 6 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:14,719 is a chemist here at the johnson space 7 00:00:19,269 --> 00:00:17,440 center so mission control i introduced 8 00:00:20,150 --> 00:00:19,279 you to st peter's preparatory high 9 00:00:22,150 --> 00:00:20,160 school 10 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:22,160 hi thanks so much and welcome to the 11 00:00:25,990 --> 00:00:24,160 mission control here in houston we're in 12 00:00:27,189 --> 00:00:26,000 the international space station flight 13 00:00:29,189 --> 00:00:27,199 control room 14 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:29,199 and like you said i have with me dan 15 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:31,519 gasta who is an environmental scientist 16 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:33,680 and chemist so hopefully i know y'all 17 00:00:37,990 --> 00:00:36,079 send in a few uh questions ahead of time 18 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:38,000 a lot uh you're studying chemistry and 19 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:39,200 hopefully he'll be able to help you with 20 00:00:42,549 --> 00:00:41,040 that but first i'm going to let him tell 21 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:42,559 you a little bit about who he is and 22 00:00:46,229 --> 00:00:44,399 what he does 23 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:46,239 yes as you mentioned my name is dan 24 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:48,559 gazda i work in the human health and 25 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:51,280 performance directorate here at jsc 26 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:53,600 i'm an environmental scientist in the 27 00:00:57,430 --> 00:00:55,680 water and food analytical lab and our 28 00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:57,440 primary responsibilities are supporting 29 00:01:00,310 --> 00:00:58,960 the environmental health systems and the 30 00:01:02,069 --> 00:01:00,320 environmental control and life support 31 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:02,079 systems on iss 32 00:01:05,830 --> 00:01:03,920 all right well thanks so much for 33 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:05,840 joining us dan we really appreciate it 34 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:07,600 and i guess if y'all want to start with 35 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:28,710 oh um the lady that spoke to us uh prior 36 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:31,840 to you guys um she said that um on space 37 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:33,680 some medals are made that 38 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:36,159 wouldn't be able to be made on earth 39 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,960 what happens if you bring those medals 40 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:40,720 that can only be made 41 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:42,159 in space 42 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:45,040 to earth like would they you know 43 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:47,200 come apart or something like that 44 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:49,280 or what what would happen or would they 45 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:55,990 generally speaking once uh 46 00:01:58,709 --> 00:01:57,520 you when you're in the microgravity 47 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:58,719 environment you're able to do things 48 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:00,159 that you can't do 49 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:02,000 in a terrestrial laboratory here on 50 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:04,000 earth and so 51 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:06,880 with metals you can alloy metals and mix 52 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:09,280 them in unique ratios to achieve desired 53 00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:10,959 properties 54 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:12,879 so you can mix these things in space and 55 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,879 and allow them to form 56 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:17,040 with uh the specific ratios and the 57 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:18,879 alloy but once they're formed they 58 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:20,480 should be locked into place so they can 59 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:32,710 um i was just wondering uh like how 60 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,480 close are we to 61 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:37,200 like sustaining a community in space 62 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:39,280 like in the movie like wally like where 63 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:41,519 they had a big ship and they can go like 64 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,430 how close 65 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:53,110 closer uh than we were several years ago 66 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:55,040 uh one of the exciting things the some 67 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:56,800 of the exciting progress that we've made 68 00:03:01,830 --> 00:02:59,840 in the past couple of years is really 69 00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:01,840 moving towards a closed-loop life 70 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:03,200 support system on the space station 71 00:03:06,550 --> 00:03:04,480 where we're now 72 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:06,560 recovering water from urine 73 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:07,760 and 74 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:09,840 scrubbing the atmosphere 75 00:03:14,710 --> 00:03:12,480 recovering some water through a sabati a 76 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:14,720 process and what this does this 77 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:16,480 dramatically reduces our reliance on 78 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:18,480 ground supplied resources 79 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:21,840 and does move us closer to 80 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:25,200 having the ability to sustain 81 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:27,440 a population of folks out in space on a 82 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:29,200 long duration mission 83 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:31,120 without having to constantly resupply 84 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:32,640 things from the ground 85 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:34,720 and i think i don't know necessarily 86 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:36,159 about wally but although it's a great 87 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:38,239 movie we do get a lot of inspiration 88 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:39,920 from science fiction and occasionally 89 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:42,480 movies right there are a lot of folks 90 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:45,440 working at nasa who definitely 91 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:47,440 watched a lot of science fiction 92 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:49,760 definitely and there are certain aspects 93 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:51,519 of science fiction that 94 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:54,239 are more realistic than others 95 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:02,869 um what materials were used in the 96 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:04,959 astronaut suits to ensure their safety 97 00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:05,760 like 98 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:07,599 i'm guessing they have some pretty high 99 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:09,280 end insulation because our hair space is 100 00:04:13,589 --> 00:04:10,400 pretty cold 101 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:13,599 and like also what material is used to 102 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:15,760 block radiation because that could be 103 00:04:22,629 --> 00:04:21,189 yes i'm not 104 00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:22,639 i'm not familiar with the exact 105 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:25,360 materials that go into 106 00:04:30,629 --> 00:04:28,479 the outer shell of the extra vehicular 107 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:30,639 mobility units the emu's those are the 108 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:32,080 suits that the the astronauts wear 109 00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:35,040 during during spacewalks or evas the 110 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:37,199 extra vehicular activities 111 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:38,240 they are 112 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:40,800 multi-layer materials so what you have 113 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:42,560 is a unique combination of many 114 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:44,880 materials stacked on top of each other 115 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:47,199 to provide the desired characteristics 116 00:04:51,909 --> 00:04:50,720 and ensure crew safety during spacewalks 117 00:04:55,189 --> 00:04:51,919 they do 118 00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:55,199 have certain materials in the suit that 119 00:04:59,110 --> 00:04:57,520 reduce the radiation exposure but when 120 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:59,120 you're in space the radiation exposure 121 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:00,560 is going to be higher than it is on the 122 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:01,520 ground 123 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:03,520 and i think they also have uh at least 124 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,440 in their their gloves heaters that help 125 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:07,680 them keep formulas about insulation um 126 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:09,039 it definitely does get very cold in 127 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:10,560 space and you especially want your hands 128 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:12,080 to be warm because you work a lot with 129 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:14,320 your hands so to help them keep from 130 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:15,840 getting stiff fingers they they have 131 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:17,199 heaters inside their gloves yeah they 132 00:05:20,790 --> 00:05:18,639 actually have some some very unique 133 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:20,800 undergarments for the spacesuits called 134 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:22,800 liquid cooling and ventilation garments 135 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:23,600 that 136 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:25,199 look a lot like thermal underwear but 137 00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:27,120 they have very small diameter tubing 138 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:29,199 that liquid circulates through and 139 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:31,120 passes through a heat exchanger that 140 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,479 helps regulate the temperature inside 141 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:34,080 the suits because you also get hot in 142 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:35,919 space when the sun is on you so you have 143 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:38,320 to be ready for both really really cold 144 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:39,520 temperatures and really really hot 145 00:05:55,270 --> 00:05:52,870 hi i'm just curious uh with 146 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:55,280 for instance the space station 147 00:05:59,909 --> 00:05:57,840 uh using propulsion systems in space 148 00:06:05,590 --> 00:05:59,919 since there's not a lot to push off of 149 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:07,510 uh that one is probably going to be 150 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:11,199 pretty far outside my area of expertise 151 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:14,800 uh in general you do have 152 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:16,960 you have an inertial mass from the 153 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,560 vehicle itself 154 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:21,520 that you push against 155 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:23,840 so there there is a mass to overcome 156 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:26,479 there but uh 157 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:29,680 how the systems exactly work is is 158 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:31,600 outside of my area of expertise and i 159 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:33,600 think we can say though that it takes a 160 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:36,880 lot less force to move you in space just 161 00:06:39,670 --> 00:06:38,240 uh you you can see it on the 162 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:39,680 international space station if you watch 163 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:42,400 nasa tv um the astronauts can push off 164 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:44,639 with just you know a finger and keep 165 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:46,720 going for a long time so it takes a lot 166 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:48,479 less energy to move 167 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:50,800 at all and so that that at least helps 168 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:52,240 us getting around in space once we've 169 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:53,440 gotten out of the earth's atmosphere 170 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:54,880 which certainly does take a lot of 171 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:55,840 thrust 172 00:06:59,749 --> 00:06:57,759 yeah once you don't have to overcome the 173 00:07:02,309 --> 00:06:59,759 gravitational vector you can expend a 174 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:02,319 lot less energy moving and translating 175 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:03,520 hopefully that helps answer your 176 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:05,360 question 177 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:11,270 i just gotta ask because i know that 178 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:13,280 they wear suits and but with the systems 179 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:15,440 itself on the station how do you defend 180 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:16,400 against 181 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:19,120 solar flares that could also hurt the 182 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:21,520 magnetics within the systems or the 183 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:25,589 the 184 00:07:31,510 --> 00:07:28,960 space station are 185 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:31,520 tested extensively and there are 186 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:33,919 specific precautions that are taken uh 187 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:36,080 to protect against ionizing radiation 188 00:07:41,749 --> 00:07:39,440 events uh with the the crew themselves 189 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:41,759 there are certain instances where 190 00:07:44,469 --> 00:07:42,720 um 191 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:44,479 you know they they locate in certain 192 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:46,639 areas of the station uh occasionally 193 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:48,800 they they locate in the water the water 194 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:50,240 storage area because water ends up being 195 00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:52,319 a great shield for radiation 196 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:53,840 uh so we have large bags of water that 197 00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:55,840 we use to to maintain a contingency 198 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:57,520 reserve and sometimes the crew will will 199 00:08:01,510 --> 00:07:59,360 sleep in the proximity of those 200 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:01,520 and we basically have space weathermen 201 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,960 who let us know when there's going to be 202 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:04,400 a lot of activity that we want to 203 00:08:08,309 --> 00:08:05,919 protect the astronauts from so that 204 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,319 helps us know when we need to maybe get 205 00:08:11,589 --> 00:08:10,000 them into an area like 206 00:08:20,469 --> 00:08:11,599 dan said that has a little bit more 207 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:22,230 um 208 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:25,680 as an event an environmental scientist 209 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:27,360 what is what is one of the most 210 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:30,000 interesting side effects of being in 211 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:35,190 i would say that probably the most 212 00:08:38,469 --> 00:08:36,800 interesting 213 00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:38,479 aspect of 214 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:40,080 maintaining environmental control 215 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,680 systems in space 216 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:43,919 is the lack of phase separation that you 217 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:46,880 have when you're outside of the 218 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:48,080 or when you're in a microgravity 219 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:49,120 environment 220 00:08:53,829 --> 00:08:51,600 so for a water system for example which 221 00:08:55,350 --> 00:08:53,839 is one of the things that i'm the most 222 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:55,360 familiar with 223 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:56,640 on the ground you don't get too 224 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:58,959 concerned about air bubbles being 225 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:00,959 entrapped in the water supply because 226 00:09:04,389 --> 00:09:02,880 they always rise to the surface well the 227 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:04,399 reason the bubbles rise to the surface 228 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:06,560 is because the gas is less dense than 229 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:08,560 the liquid and in a gravitational field 230 00:09:11,829 --> 00:09:10,480 it moves to the top 231 00:09:13,590 --> 00:09:11,839 in the absence of that gravitational 232 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:13,600 field all the air bubbles stay entrained 233 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:15,920 in the body of the liquid and that can 234 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:18,080 pose a lot of problems for fluid 235 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:33,430 um i was watching something and i read 236 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:35,519 an article that there is uh 237 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:38,160 over the last 60 or 50 years or so there 238 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:40,080 have been a lot of satellites 239 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:42,560 uh put up in that are just floating down 240 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:43,920 earth orbit i think the number was like 241 00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:45,920 there's about 50 000 242 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:47,839 of them and only about 1 000 are 243 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:50,000 actually functioning so they deem those 244 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:52,399 you know dead satellites space junk is 245 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:54,160 there any like efforts being used to 246 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:56,080 clean that up because they do pose a 247 00:10:00,870 --> 00:09:57,440 problem especially for the international 248 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:02,790 again i'm not aware of efforts i know 249 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,240 it's definitely something that is 250 00:10:08,069 --> 00:10:06,640 tracked very closely uh because folks 251 00:10:10,550 --> 00:10:08,079 always want to know if any of the the 252 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:10,560 orbital debris is going to pose a risk 253 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:13,440 to the station right and we have a team 254 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:14,720 here on the ground that lets us know if 255 00:10:17,829 --> 00:10:16,720 there's any uh debris which is what we 256 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:17,839 call it um 257 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,959 it's going to get anywhere near the 258 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:20,560 space station and if we need to we move 259 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:22,399 the space station around to avoid it um 260 00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:24,560 but as far as cleaning up i know we're 261 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:26,399 looking into different ideas and and 262 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:27,440 hopefully are going to come up with an 263 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:29,120 effort just because like you said 264 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,560 there's there's it's getting to the 265 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:32,160 point where there's so much of it in 266 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:34,079 space but a lot of it takes care of 267 00:10:38,949 --> 00:10:36,880 itself it all eventually continues to 268 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:38,959 lower in orbit and then usually burns up 269 00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:40,399 in the earth's atmosphere before it 270 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:42,000 falls down so 271 00:10:45,829 --> 00:10:44,079 given enough time it'll it'll take care 272 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:45,839 of itself but there's so much of it like 273 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:48,000 you said that we do want to try and find 274 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:50,320 some other way to help out with the 275 00:11:02,870 --> 00:10:58,710 what new chemical discoveries have been 276 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:05,509 new chemical discoveries um 277 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:08,399 there there's a lot of interesting 278 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:11,440 phenomenon that have been observed 279 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,320 in space a lot of them relating to the 280 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:16,560 the behavior of materials outside of uh 281 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:18,399 or in the absence of gravity there's 282 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:19,760 been a lot of studies done on protein 283 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:21,440 crystallization that they've seen some 284 00:11:23,990 --> 00:11:22,959 very novel 285 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:24,000 uh 286 00:11:28,550 --> 00:11:25,920 crystallographic patterns that form in 287 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:28,560 the absence of gravity 288 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:30,240 and there's uh probably some of the 289 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:31,600 other things that that have come about 290 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:33,360 would really be material compatibility 291 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:35,040 issues and 292 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:37,600 exposure issues that things designed for 293 00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:38,560 space to 294 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:40,880 to to tolerate the harsh environment of 295 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:43,519 space then come back and find 296 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:45,120 applications in extreme environments on 297 00:12:02,150 --> 00:11:57,670 hi 298 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:02,160 than a science question 299 00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:04,240 with um with our government 16 trillion 300 00:12:07,829 --> 00:12:05,519 dollars in debt 301 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:07,839 we the government funds 302 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:10,079 nasa and you know spends billions of 303 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:12,880 dollars a year on it why do you think 304 00:12:23,269 --> 00:12:20,069 that's a great question 305 00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:23,279 overall when you look at the 306 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:25,120 the federal budget nasa is a very small 307 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:27,920 line item in the big picture and 308 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,920 the the work that is done here is work 309 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:32,399 that isn't done anywhere else and does 310 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,519 have 311 00:12:36,870 --> 00:12:35,279 direct applications not to the ground 312 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:36,880 you know it's it's fundamental science 313 00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:38,480 that benefits 314 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:40,639 benefits everybody so 315 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:41,600 myself 316 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:44,320 i work in the the aerospace industry i'm 317 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:45,760 an advocate for the aerospace industry 318 00:12:49,829 --> 00:12:48,160 and i think it's money well spent 319 00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:49,839 i definitely agree 320 00:12:54,949 --> 00:12:52,560 you're right it certainly is a lot of 321 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:54,959 money to an individual like us but like 322 00:12:59,430 --> 00:12:56,959 dan said in the big picture you really 323 00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,440 don't spend a lot on nasa itself less 324 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:01,519 than one percent of the national budget 325 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:03,200 and i think we get a lot of bang for the 326 00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:15,910 hi um i was wondering like in the event 327 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:18,959 of emergency on the space station like 328 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,360 uh like running out of food or not being 329 00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:23,680 able to get back to earth does nasa have 330 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:25,519 any like plans 331 00:13:30,629 --> 00:13:28,480 in the case of emergency like that 332 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,639 uh there there are contingencies there 333 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:32,880 are plans in place to cover for just 334 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:35,360 about every conceivable contingency that 335 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:37,360 the crew would encounter 336 00:13:42,310 --> 00:13:40,639 with regard to to critical uh consumable 337 00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:42,320 items like food and water 338 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:44,079 there is a reserve that's maintained it 339 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:46,480 usually varies between 45 and 90 days 340 00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:48,480 that if the crew were cut off or if 341 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,199 there was a resupply slip there are 342 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:53,600 spares pre-positioned to sustain the 343 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:56,320 crew during that that 344 00:14:01,110 --> 00:13:58,800 that launch delay um and there are 345 00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,120 evacuation plans that that are in place 346 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:03,360 that if a critical life support system 347 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,120 were to be compromised 348 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:06,720 there there are plans to get the crew 349 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:21,590 the woman previously talked to us said 350 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:24,959 that occasionally uh or not occasionally 351 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:27,680 but astronauts are astronauts in 352 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:28,560 training 353 00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:31,760 have to train for evacuation plans if 354 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:33,839 they actually had to evacuate the space 355 00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:35,360 station 356 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,839 uh just for something 357 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:40,079 then they couldn't get to the right 358 00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:47,189 well so they're actually they're um 359 00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:49,360 basically their lifeboats um are the 360 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:51,680 soyuz vehicles that they came to earth 361 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:53,680 in or came to the space station in so 362 00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:56,160 they would just get back to those um and 363 00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:57,920 get out of the space station and undock 364 00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:00,000 from the space station and use those to 365 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,399 land in where they actually land in 366 00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:05,760 kazakhstan so it's a big 367 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,839 desert area there's plenty of room for 368 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:09,839 them to land and they would have time 369 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:11,120 once they got away from the space 370 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:12,720 station to kind of plan their landing 371 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:13,920 and make sure they ended up in the right 372 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:27,269 specifically how did you choose your 373 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:29,440 career and uh what steps did you have to 374 00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:33,519 take to become part of nasa 375 00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:35,199 uh 376 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:36,399 it's an interesting question because i 377 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,519 didn't really choose my career it 378 00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,360 chose me 379 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:42,720 to some extent 380 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:45,680 when i started off in college i actually 381 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:47,440 wanted to be a physical therapist and 382 00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:48,959 was taking 383 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,480 a lot of biology courses or trying to 384 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:51,920 take a lot of biology courses that i got 385 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,920 blocked out of and my advisor at the 386 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,440 time told me that i might as well take 387 00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,880 chemistry because that was going to be a 388 00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:58,639 requirement as well 389 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,560 i started taking my chemistry sequences 390 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,199 through college and ended up taking an 391 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,199 instrumental analysis and quantitati 392 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,440 quantitative analysis class my freshman 393 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:09,040 year which 394 00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:10,800 really exposed me for the first time to 395 00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,279 using instrumentation to make chemical 396 00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:15,279 measurements and characterize different 397 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:16,399 materials 398 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:17,680 and that just really intrigued me and i 399 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,040 stuck with it from there 400 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,199 once i got my undergraduate degree 401 00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:22,959 i went on to 402 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,199 get a phd at iowa state 403 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,440 up in ames and the professor that i 404 00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,120 worked for at iowa state 405 00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:31,199 was working on a nasa research grant to 406 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:32,959 develop water quality monitoring systems 407 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:35,040 for the space station so while i was in 408 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,720 grad school i 409 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,399 started working on that project and was 410 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:40,320 able to directly transition that to my 411 00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:42,160 job down here at jsc 412 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,600 i think you hear that from a lot of the 413 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,600 engineers and scientists who work at 414 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,360 nasa and i've also you know talked with 415 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,360 astronauts about that before as well 416 00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,440 they all say that what you should do is 417 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:53,120 find something that you love doing so 418 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,959 that you will be 419 00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,639 inspired to be good at it and then that 420 00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:58,240 will help you end up where you want to 421 00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:01,279 go which hopefully could be nasa and for 422 00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,959 myself you know i 423 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,640 i work in the public affairs office at 424 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:06,959 nasa and uh started out as a 425 00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,199 newspaper reporter and uh 426 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,439 and finding um even though i never 427 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,600 intended to use it the science classes 428 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,280 that i took when i was in high school 429 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:17,360 and college are really helpful for me 430 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,959 now and kind of knowing what the 431 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:20,400 scientists and engineers are talking 432 00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:38,950 would you be able to explain how the the 433 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:45,750 which moisture system or do you mean the 434 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:46,480 the 435 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,480 astronauts water 436 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,880 yeah so what we have um there's two 437 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:02,720 components to the water recovery you do 438 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,600 have 439 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:06,400 condensing heat exchangers so these are 440 00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,600 actually very similar to what you have 441 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,520 in commercial and residential air 442 00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:11,600 conditioning units on the ground 443 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,919 where water condenses on the surface of 444 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:17,760 these heat exchangers it's then drawn 445 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,640 into the water processor assembly 446 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,480 that atmospheric condensate that's 447 00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:24,480 collected is combined with distillate 448 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,840 from the urine processor assembly 449 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,360 to provide the feedstock for the water 450 00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,520 processor the water processor itself 451 00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,760 uses a combination of processes to to 452 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,039 polish that 453 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:38,000 combination of distillate and 454 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,480 condensate back into potable water 455 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:42,799 it uses high temperature oxidation 456 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,440 uh ion exchange uh there's some some 457 00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,440 carbon sorbent beds and then the final 458 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:49,840 step uh before the the water goes into 459 00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:52,320 the storage tank uh for to supply the 460 00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,039 crew is addition of uh of a biocide 461 00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,039 which we use molecular iodine in the u.s 462 00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,480 segment of the states of the space 463 00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,720 station and what that does is inhibits 464 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:01,840 bacterial growth while the water is 465 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,669 on the space station how are we is it 466 00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:11,360 simpler on earth for people in third 467 00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:15,990 is it similar to what people in third 468 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:17,919 world countries could use is that what 469 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:22,870 the 470 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,320 water 471 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:29,840 yes are the same processes that you 472 00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:32,799 would use on the ground to take 473 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:35,679 water or any contaminated water support 474 00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,760 water source and bring it back to it to 475 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,600 a state that could be safe for uh for 476 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,320 human consumption of course with nasa 477 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:45,120 the specific systems that we employ 478 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,480 are 479 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,720 purpose built to operate in space so 480 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,400 there wouldn't necessarily be the best 481 00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,360 answer 482 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,120 for a third world country 483 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:54,880 the they're also 484 00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,440 built to sustain six crew at a time not 485 00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,360 a village of hundreds of people but the 486 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,280 basic principles behind water recovery 487 00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,640 are exactly the same 488 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,799 and we have engineers who work on the 489 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,320 the water recovery systems that we use 490 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,159 in space who also volunteer their time 491 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,080 to build systems that can work in third 492 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,080 world countries and go out and help 493 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,919 build them in the third world countries 494 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:15,760 on in some occasions and 495 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:21,669 during ventilation process with the 496 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,480 water when you you only take out the h2o 497 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,880 and take out everything else or you 498 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,039 separate h2o and the nutrients needed 499 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,960 for our body and dispose of the acids 500 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,200 and chemicals from our uh from our 501 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,840 systems 502 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:37,600 with the 503 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,280 condensing heat exchangers you actually 504 00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,240 condense water along with any volatile 505 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,400 organic compounds that could be present 506 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,080 along with some dissolved minerals that 507 00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,840 may be present in tiny micro droplets of 508 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,840 water that exist 509 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,440 and there's there are metabolic 510 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,480 components that come from the crew 511 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,480 living and exercising in space that you 512 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,799 condense in that 513 00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,360 in that moisture when you go through the 514 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,919 the water recovery process 515 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:05,360 a lot of those contaminants are either 516 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,630 in the catalytic reactor which is the 517 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,159 oxidation unit they're actually broken 518 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,320 down to co2 and bicarbonate and then 519 00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480 scrubbed out using ion exchange beds 520 00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,799 in the urine processor assembly when 521 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,679 we're 522 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,360 distilling the urine and bringing over 523 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,320 the distillate there's actually a brine 524 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,200 left that's a concentrated high ionic 525 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,000 strength solution that's discarded uh in 526 00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,600 the uh the progress vehicles and burned 527 00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,679 up 528 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,919 oh so so makes because they said it's 529 00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:37,679 purer than the water that we have today 530 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,880 and we use just like similar uh 531 00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,320 nutrients to make sure our water is 532 00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,559 cleaner so you use more uh concentrated 533 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,159 ones you're saying then 534 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,080 no the the water that the the water 535 00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,840 that's produced on the space station is 536 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,159 ultra pure water it is 537 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,240 much much cleaner than than the water 538 00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,159 that most of us have have access to in 539 00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:59,200 the taps in our house 540 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,320 the 541 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,120 what you need to remember is that in a 542 00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,400 on earth the water supply contains a lot 543 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,679 of runoff from agriculture and industry 544 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,520 that adds contaminants into the water 545 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,600 that have to be removed with much more 546 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,760 difficult processes on the space station 547 00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,919 we're fortunate in that the number of 548 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,919 contaminants that we have to deal with 549 00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,520 are fairly limited because it's a 550 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,440 closed-loop environment we're not using 551 00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,440 fertilizers we don't have large 552 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,120 industrial or large industrial 553 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,440 operations or agricultural operations so 554 00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,840 we're really dealing with 555 00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,679 the metabolic load from the from the 556 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,600 astronauts and then some of the 557 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,880 off-gassing components from the 558 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,159 materials and the products that they use 559 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,000 in space another good reason to be an 560 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,000 astronaut right you get cleaner water 561 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:44,240 absolutely 562 00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,630 i think that's about all the questions 563 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,240 we have time for at this time thank you 564 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,640 so much dan for joining us we really 565 00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,080 appreciate you taking the time to answer 566 00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,440 some of these questions with us and 567 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,880 thanks so much to the students we 568 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,880 enjoyed talking with you hope we 569 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,400 were helpful and we're able to answer a